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Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Galm Fae wrote:

Dagger-Two wrote:

While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon.

Galm Fae wrote:

Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best.

You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things.

Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer.

Way to belittle an entire argument by unfairly attacking one point. No really, way to go.

If you read Templar or any of the DUST 514 chronicles you'll find support on my side, which you seem to be directly ignoring. Additionally, hybrid technology like plasma weaponry has existed in the past, but nothing like what we have now. Your standard assault rifle spits out plasma casings at a super-heated level that would melt the face of anyone who isn't protected behind a dropsuit (and subsequently anyone who doesn't have the bone structure to support one.) This obviously couldn't be adapted at a civilian level or even with standard infantry. Between the recoil, heat, and sheer power behind it I think I can maintain that your basic person can't handle handheld plasma weaponry.

Heck, they probably couldn't even handle a rail rifle. Gauss rifles fire low level electromagnetic projectiles, but thats way different then a full fledged railgun. Have you ever seen a railgun shoot of at all? The sure heat generated from firing creates arcs of plasma during charging and after firing.

And since you seem to feel like bringing up the mass driver somehow nulls my entire argument, I think you're forgetting things like minimum safe distance which appears to be entirely absent on the mass driver. Even that weapon, something that could hypothetically be operated by standard infantry, has been modified to suit reckless immortal tactics.

Actually, you can see that Galm is right just by watching the Video DevBlogs CCP put out. They use the Assault Rifle as an example, but the weapons we use in Dust did not exist before immortal soldier programs.

Notice that neither of us are saying that weapons similar to these did not exist. What we use in Dust are significantly up-scaled weapons designed to be a threat to the advanced gear that we use, and usable only by soldiers with bodies designed like our's and wearing similar suits themselves.

So yes, there were Assault Rifles before the one in Dust, but they were designed to be safer to use because the people using them had to live through using them and have a long lifespan.

Our bodies have a 5-year max lifespan (confirmed in Templar One), and as such are designed to be disposable. We can use far more hazardous and powerful weapons with no repercussions.

"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"


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True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4475	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:39:00 - [1] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: While the notion has been mentioned a FEW times by devs working on DUST, you can hardly ignore the fact that it has not been mentioned in any real canon. Galm Fae wrote: Almost all weaponry used before our time by individuals in New Eden has had to be lower level gauss weaponry, typical projectile ammunition, or laser weaponry that has been dangerous to operate at best. You can't possibly believe that before 'our time' weapons like the plasma rifle or mass driver did not exist. Our time has been less than 2 years in new eden's history. Plasma and railgun weapons have existed since well before the first Gallente-Caldari war, over 200 years ago. The technology might be better, more refined, like the difference between an M4 and an M27, but it is silly to state that lore-wise these are all new things. Weapons like these are mentioned in the chronicles, short stories, and novels, going back almost 10 years, which I will take as canon any day over one dev blog by a purely DUST developer. Way to belittle an entire argument by unfairly attacking one point. No really, way to go. If you read Templar or any of the DUST 514 chronicles you'll find support on my side, which you seem to be directly ignoring. Additionally, hybrid technology like plasma weaponry has existed in the past, but nothing like what we have now. Your standard assault rifle spits out plasma casings at a super-heated level that would melt the face of anyone who isn't protected behind a dropsuit (and subsequently anyone who doesn't have the bone structure to support one.) This obviously couldn't be adapted at a civilian level or even with standard infantry. Between the recoil, heat, and sheer power behind it I think I can maintain that your basic person can't handle handheld plasma weaponry. Heck, they probably couldn't even handle a rail rifle. Gauss rifles fire low level electromagnetic projectiles, but thats way different then a full fledged railgun. Have you ever seen a railgun shoot of at all? The sure heat generated from firing creates arcs of plasma during charging and after firing. And since you seem to feel like bringing up the mass driver somehow nulls my entire argument, I think you're forgetting things like minimum safe distance which appears to be entirely absent on the mass driver. Even that weapon, something that could hypothetically be operated by standard infantry, has been modified to suit reckless immortal tactics. Actually, you can see that Galm is right just by watching the Video DevBlogs CCP put out. They use the Assault Rifle as an example, but the weapons we use in Dust did not exist before immortal soldier programs. Notice that neither of us are saying that weapons similar to these did not exist. What we use in Dust are significantly up-scaled weapons designed to be a threat to the advanced gear that we use, and usable only by soldiers with bodies designed like our's and wearing similar suits themselves. So yes, there were Assault Rifles before the one in Dust, but they were designed to be safer to use because the people using them had to live through using them and have a long lifespan. Our bodies have a 5-year max lifespan (confirmed in Templar One), and as such are designed to be disposable. We can use far more hazardous and powerful weapons with no repercussions. Indeed, like the civilian suits the current logistics suits are based off both the Forge and Mass Driver are mining equipment repurposed for combat, also noting the MTAC is the same way. I would also assume the combat rifle equivalents existed prior to their inception in dust since it is basically a large calibre rifle. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5177	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:37:00 - [2] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: I have a theory, Since Mordu's Legion is providing us with weapons since mordu's trials, He only had acess to a small amount of Blueprints to manufacture the goods. Since Uprising thought, Factions started to see the potential of employing Mercs to fight their wars. So Uprising "1.7" We see, both the Minmatar, Caldari, Amarr and Gallente allowing Mordu's to produce their weaponry (giving to them , or allowing them to "steal their blueprints") and also we start to see a lot more weapons and equipments produced by the factions (LP Store...); The next expansion should be called "Escalation", the empires will support DUST mercs openly... and we will have acess to all the weaponry avaiable in their arsenal. By then, acess to industry (Capsuleers will make our items), Full conquest gameplay (Acess to full racial variety) and CONCORD trying to fight us with drones (PvE ...) will probably be in the game. I doubt the empires would miss out on such a rich goldmine of industrial opportunity by letting Mordu produce all such weapons. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK